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Anyone had any problems?
Started by Zoe
Posted: November 22, 2007 at 15:41
I wonder, has anybody experienced any problems with their MBTs? I bought a pair 2 1/2 years ago and started using them on a daily basis. In fact I was so enthusiastic I started briskly walking part of the way to work every day (appx 2 miles). However, it wasn't long before I started experiencing pain in between the 3rd and 4th metatarsal bones while in the 'toeing off position' (ie. just as my toes leave the floor in a normal stepping movement). I decided to 'walk through' the pain as I was determined to make the most of my new shoes, but the pain was really bad and I realise now I should've seen a doctor sooner. It was a sharp pain, but also at times was like an electrical pain, like the feeling you get when you bang your funny bone, plus numbness around the area. I saw my GP and then a foot specialist, and it was thought to be a morton's neuroma, but I had it operated on and it appears to have been a build of scar tissue around the tendons/ligaments caused either by a direct injury (which I never had) or as a result of continual stress. Apparently this causes scarring which, if not rested, causes more scarring etc. etc. I really don't want to blame the shoes. In actual fact, I still wear MBTs as it seems they are the best shoe to wear. I don't know if it was a combination of too much exercise and a differnet type of shoe at the same time. I can't think of anything else that could have caused this problem. I have the same problem with my other foot too, but on nowhere near as bad a scale, and I am keeping it in check this time.

I wonder, has anybody else experienced anything like this, or can anyone offer any suggestions?
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Reply #1 by Dunstan
Posted: November 26, 2007 at 15:44
I have just started wearing MBT shoes having stopped wearing the sandals about a year ago. I have chronic osteo-arthritis in both knees and am undergoing a reconstruction of my 'gait' with the help of a physiotherapist. The MBT shoes help considerably but I have notice a tendency in my left foot to 'claw' or 'scrunch' the third, fourth and fifth toes at the toeing off position. I have to make a conscious act not to do this but I should imagine that had I not noticed it I might well have experienced similar pain to you after a period of time. I hope this is of some help.
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Reply #2 by Zoe
Posted: November 26, 2007 at 16:18
Thank you for your reply. That's interesting - I was having to claw my toes too, so as not to "toe off" in the normal way which caused intense pain. This has become a habit of mine and, now that i've had the operation, I'm finding it a conscious effort to walk 'normally' again. Also, having walked differently for a couple of years, I am concerned about my gait. I think I will have to pay a visit to a physio just to be sure.

Is it the osteo-arthritis causing you to scrunch your toes or is it just when wearing MBTs?
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Reply #3 by Dunstan
Posted: November 28, 2007 at 02:41
When my left knee first became painful are started to favour it, this caused problems with the right knee but I had to favour in an odd way to avoid more pain in the left knee and so it has gone on. Getting to the root of things has been a work of archaeology on the part of my physio who know has me walking in a may which seems completely unnatural (not to say darn right silly) but is actually closer to normal walking. This means I feel like I am doing odd things with my feet and I think my tendency is to take the oddness a little too far and thus the toe scrunching.

I think the important thing I have been learning is that we should never walk in an odd way to avoid pain as it will cause imbalance and eventually another part of the body will become painful.

Let us try to be normal!
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Reply #4 by Lopez
Posted: January 31, 2008 at 13:31
Did any one heard about the garage shoes, its cheapest shoes i have ever seen in my life
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Reply #5 by FeetFirstFitness.com
Posted: February 29, 2008 at 04:10
Last year our personal friend and inventor of the MBT, Karl Mueller, departed from his MBT kingdom in order to pursue other inventions and creations. At first we felt that this would not at all have an impact on the MBT product, which seemed to be at such a high quality and outstanding level. Nor did we feel it would impact the company's business units as Karl had partnered his brand with many excellent people worldwide.

On the business side we were wrong: immediately MBT's US subsidiary in Idaho (our direct business partner for the brand) was completely reorganized and new managers were hired, most of whom had made their previous careers in the low end and discount shoe businesses.

Their first move was to completely change the MBT product line: out with the old and in with the new. And as a consequence at the end of 2007 we ran an amazing sale on the dropped MBTs and we thank many of our customers for their enthusiastic participation and business in this sale of our existing inventory.

Even more significantly, on the product side we were unfortunately also wrong: having recommended, fitted and sold over 5,000 pairs of the entire MBT product line since 2004 from both our brick & mortar and our online virtual stores, it quickly became apparent to ourselves and to our customers that most of the MBTs produced after Karl's departure were not even close to what we had become accustom to...

In particular, starting in November 2007 we began receiving a plethora of complaints from customers that their MBTs were wearing out -- of the outsoles and collapsing Masai sensors -- already after only three weeks of usage (attached is a picture study of the outsole of the MBT Sport comparing the older and the newer product executions).

Since then we have also wear-tested many of the new Spring 2008 MBTs and, also unfortunately, the results have been extremely poor: POOR FIT, COLLAPSING MASAI SENSOR, PREMATURE & COMPLETE OUTSOLE WEAR, LACK OF STABILITY, EXTREMELY HEAVY... And as a result somewhat reluctantly, we have now decided to no longer sell the MBT in our store until (hopefully) the former quality of this once-great-product has one day been completely restored.

Just as we had been so enthusiastic in communicating and promoting the MBT brand when it was in its prime, we hope you understand our decision that we can not support any of our former efforts, convictions and recommendations based on the poor product quality issues present in almost all of the current MBT products. Quite frankly, there is no way we could recommend & sell the MBT in its current execution FOR OVER US$ 200!!! and expect our customers at all to continue to take our advice and recommendation seriously.

To conclude, it appears that even more significantly than driving the MBT creation and innovation, Karl Mueller, during his time at the company, was successful in maintaining the MBT shoe's high execution standard of quality production. With him no longer involved, we are convinced that the MBT is no longer what it once was... and that anyone who has been as involved with the MBT as closely, as thoroughly and as long as ourselves is similarly in complete agreement with our position.

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Reply #6 by FeetFirstFitness.com
Posted: February 29, 2008 at 04:12
Last year our personal friend and inventor of the MBT, Karl Mueller, departed from his MBT kingdom in order to pursue other inventions and creations. At first we felt that this would not at all have an impact on the MBT product, which seemed to be at such a high quality and outstanding level. Nor did we feel it would impact the company's business units as Karl had partnered his brand with many excellent people worldwide.

On the business side we were wrong: immediately MBT's US subsidiary in Idaho (our direct business partner for the brand) was completely reorganized and new managers were hired, most of whom had made their previous careers in the low end and discount shoe businesses.

Their first move was to completely change the MBT product line: out with the old and in with the new. And as a consequence at the end of 2007 we ran an amazing sale on the dropped MBTs and we thank many of our customers for their enthusiastic participation and business in this sale of our existing inventory.

Even more significantly, on the product side we were unfortunately also wrong: having recommended, fitted and sold over 5,000 pairs of the entire MBT product line since 2004 from both our brick & mortar and our online virtual stores, it quickly became apparent to ourselves and to our customers that most of the MBTs produced after Karl's departure were not even close to what we had become accustom to...

In particular, starting in November 2007 we began receiving a plethora of complaints from customers that their MBTs were wearing out -- of the outsoles and collapsing Masai sensors -- already after only three weeks of usage (attached is a picture study of the outsole of the MBT Sport comparing the older and the newer product executions).

Since then we have also wear-tested many of the new Spring 2008 MBTs and, also unfortunately, the results have been extremely poor: POOR FIT, COLLAPSING MASAI SENSOR, PREMATURE & COMPLETE OUTSOLE WEAR, LACK OF STABILITY, EXTREMELY HEAVY... And as a result somewhat reluctantly, we have now decided to no longer sell the MBT in our store until (hopefully) the former quality of this once-great-product has one day been completely restored.

Just as we had been so enthusiastic in communicating and promoting the MBT brand when it was in its prime, we hope you understand our decision that we can not support any of our former efforts, convictions and recommendations based on the poor product quality issues present in almost all of the current MBT products. Quite frankly, there is no way we could recommend & sell the MBT in its current execution FOR OVER US$ 200!!! and expect our customers at all to continue to take our advice and recommendation seriously.

To conclude, it appears that even more significantly than driving the MBT creation and innovation, Karl Mueller, during his time at the company, was successful in maintaining the MBT shoe's high execution standard of quality production. With him no longer involved, we are convinced that the MBT is no longer what it once was... and that anyone who has been as involved with the MBT as closely, as thoroughly and as long as ourselves is similarly in complete agreement with our position.

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Reply #7 by Frances Konopka
Posted: March 5, 2008 at 13:28
I have been wearing my MBT since December and find them very comfortable and springy. I never had any problems adjusting to them. However, I have recently been having pains in my right knee and wondered if this was due to the instability of the shoe? It does seem to go against all the advice that it should help knees, so I wondered if anyone else had noticed this?
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Reply #8 by Dr. Foster
Posted: March 15, 2008 at 04:22
last summer my wife and I purchased 3 mbts at local store.
Two sandels, one each and a shoe for her.
2 months later I found my mbt's outer sole separating in layers like a layered pastry. One side of the shoe had lost a chunk from the sole as well,
I returned the shoe for a replacement as there is one year warranty.
A week later my wife advised me that her sole of her shoe was separating as well.
Returned hers for a replacement as well.
2 months later her other shoe began to separate as well.
Returned them all for new ones.Now one of the new ones is separating again.
The management of the store refused to inform me if others are returning theirs as well.
A good product;but very bad manufacturing.
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Reply #9 by erica reynaud
Posted: March 18, 2008 at 19:19
I bought the mbt's (version3) those with the thicker soles-in november, i started using them as the sales person said, but i started to feel pain in my lower back and i stop using them. After i thought, "it canīt be the shoes, i'll use'm again to be sure" so i did, and again, i started with a sciatica pain!!!! the orthopedist said that the lack of support in the back of the foot wearing those shoes caused my lumbar region to force in an unnatural way and trying to compensate the weight of the body i forced the lumbo-sacral region!!! so , now i hate them! they are not for every one!
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Reply #10 by I FOX
Posted: March 26, 2008 at 13:40
I really loved these shoes for walking. Dont have any leg or foot problems just found them very comfortable. When my first pair started to fall apart after about ten months I bought another pair - even though I thought ten months was a short time. With my second pair I was much more careful about cleaning and looking after them as I fiqured I really had not been that careful with the first pair and wanted these to last (they are expensive). Well now less than five months and they are falling apart. There are large chunks of foam coming out of one of the soles. I have never seen any shoe do that. They are just falling apart. Of course i brought them back to the store but he told me I must have abused them so not covered by guarantee. Also only one of the shoes is falling apart - the other one is still ok. So I guess I was just abusing one shoe! I really think these shoes cannot tolerate the wet at all. Even if you dry them well afterwards.We dont all live in sunny climates. I see a note on this topic that says the quality has disimproved since the creator left. I hope they do something about it. I certainly couldnt advise anyone to get a pair of very expensive shoes that wear out so quick.
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Reply #11 by Zoe
Posted: March 28, 2008 at 16:54
That's funny because I think one of my posts has been removed - it was the one where I have been diagnosed officially with DROPPED METATARSAL... something you can get from walking on an uneven surface which is how MBTs claim to work... has it been removed by any chance? I'm not meaning to say bad things about MBT. I am purely interested in whether anybody else has had problems caused by them (or seemingly caused by them). Believe me, I do not wish to believe that my ongoing problems are my own fault because of the shoes I bought. I want it to be something that 'just happened'.

Frances / Dunstan:- I too had uncomfortable knees when I first started wearing them. If I had listenened to my body instead of ignoring the pain (after all I had bought an expensive pair of MBTs so I wasn't going to stop using them!), then maybe I wouldn't be facing foot surgery for the second time!!!

De Foster - I also had to return my first pair of MBTs by the way becuase they fell apart. I had only ever used them for walking on concrete and had never got them wet. I contacted the manufacturer and they offered me money off a second pair. So far so good, although I wear them a lot less now due to pain in my foot.
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Reply #12 by cathy
Posted: March 29, 2008 at 21:46
I have recently started wearing the velcro Vio and after 25 min of brisk walking, my 4th and 5th toes go numb. I take the shoe off, wait 5-10min and then they are ok, bu t after 25 min again, they go numb. Any suggestions?
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Reply #13 by Zoe
Posted: March 29, 2008 at 21:57
I hate to say this , but for me this was the start of the problems (see my above posts). It started off with numbness and then became a sharp pain and numbness and a 'pinging' when i walk that is like a combination of the electric pain you get when you bang your funny bone and standing on a marble. Now I cannot walk without pain barefoot or with any other shoes. It may be nothing to do with the MBTs (just a coincidence) but it only started when I bought them. I am now facing my second surgery for dropped metatarsal (where the metatarsal bones drop due to walking on an uneven surface) and a neuroma where the nerve between the metatarsals becomes inflamed and 'pings' which is excruciating. I don't want to alarm you, especially if you've just spent Ģ125 on these shoes (which is why I carried on wearing them) - I would just suggest you listen to your body and make sure that if you start experiencing pain, you stop wearing them or at the very least get some advice from a podiatrist - the last thing you want to do is suffer permanent pain in your foot just because you were trying to do the right thing!!

If anybody else has suffered anything like this, please post!
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Reply #14 by Zoe
Posted: March 29, 2008 at 22:12
Cathy
Further to my reply above, have a look at this link - what you are describing may be the beginning of this so if you only get those numb sensations when you wear your MBTs, then don't continue to wear them - don't ignore the symptoms and risk the future health of your feet like I did because you spent lots of money on the shoes! It seems like MBTs work miracles for some people but, as somebody said above, they aren't for everyone.

Really hope this helps.

http://www.ortho-care.ca/symptoms2.swf
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Reply #15 by superga
Posted: April 5, 2008 at 15:48
I started developn metatarsal pain before using MBT shoes. By the time, I bought these shoes, I had 3 hair stress fractures. MBT shoes have been instrumental in relieving my pain. Howerver, the metatarsial pain increased. My podiatrist recommended to keep using these shoes. However, I found dramatically improved relief usin motion support shoes from New Balance, without using any orthotics. I went through current studies, and I found that MBT shoes put extra stress in the toes. I am not endorsing the validity of that study, however, the improvement, after using a flat rigid pair of shoes has been dramatically.
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Reply #16 by Zoe
Posted: April 7, 2008 at 14:01
Superga.. can you give me any further information on where to find the studies to which you refer. I would be interested in reading these.

Thanks
Zoe
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Reply #17 by FeetFirstFitness.com
Posted: April 8, 2008 at 22:30
The toe area in the Voi is extremely narrow -- this causes numbness... by regular measurement this would be a 2A and the heel a B.
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Reply #18 by superga
Posted: April 13, 2008 at 16:42
Zoe,

please go on the official site of MBT. On the LHS corner: What about MBT; click on research; go to the study by Edinburgh Royal Infirmary and download the PDF file:

"In-Shoe Pressure Distribution in MBT shoes versus Flat-bottomed training shoes: a Preliminary Study 2.1.2005
by Laura Stuart, Edinburgh Royal Infirmary "




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Reply #19 by Jules
Posted: April 25, 2008 at 20:42
Having worn MBT comfortably for the entire winter on reverting to normal sandals I experienced severe pain in the sole of my right foot. This wasdiagnosed as inflammation of the plantar fasciae due to the lack of support to the arch of my foot. It is very painful and somewhat debilitating and has put me off my MBT's.
Anyone else had this and any ideas to help?
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